Affiliates have a greater choice of networks to work with than ever before, and it’s therefore crucially important that networks pull out all the stops to maintain some form of Affiliate loyalty. New affiliates may not be aware of how different networks work, so I thought it would be useful to chronicle two networks to see how their processes differ.
For this experiment, I have decided to look purely at the process of getting paid the commissions you have earned, as this is obviously the single most important part of the relationship. The two networks I have chosen to compare are Affiliate Future and Clash Media. In the interests of fairness, I have chronicled my own personal experiences with both networks for the past nine months, as this should ensure any temporary “hiccups” would be ironed out.
Network Number One: Affiliate Future.
- December 2006: Earn commissions.
- Mid January 2007: Check bank. Commission is there.
- February to September 2007: Repeat as above.
Network Number Two: Clash Media.
- December 2006: Earn commissions.
- January 2007: Earn commissions. Manually create invoice for December commissions and send to Clash.
- February 2007: Earn commissions. Manually create invoice for January commissions and send to Clash.
- March 2007: Earn commissions.
- April 2007: Earn commissions.
- May 2007: Earn commissions. Manually create invoice for February to April commissions and send to Clash.
- June 2007: Earn commissions. Manually create invoice for May commissions and send to Clash.
- 7th June 2007: Send e-mail to Clash reminding them they now have four invoices outstanding.
- 14th June 2007: No reply to e-mail, so further reminder sent.
- 19th June 2007. Still no reply to any of the last six emails, starting to get frustrated now, which leads to this blog post.
- 22nd June 2007: Still no reply to e-mails, so a seventh reminder sent.
- July 2007: Earn commissions. Manually create invoice for June commissions and send to Clash.
- 3rd July 2007: E-mail received from Clash (after we managed to track one of them down on MSN Messenger), advising we have been sending invoices to the wrong person. I point out that I was merely sending them to the address listed on their site. Account Manager very apologetic, and say “Please leave this all to me – I will sort it out”
- 17th July 2007: Nothing sorted still. Really getting pissed off now, which leads to this blog post.
- August 2007. Earn commissions. Manually create invoice for July commissions and send to Clash.
- 6th August 2007: Still no payment, so email sent to Account Manager who asked to “leave it all to me”. Reply received from original person I’d sent invoices to – Account Manager has left! She will approve our invoice, and find out why we’ve not been paid, and get back to me tomorrow (That’s 7th August for those of you without the use of a Calendar). I advise that if payment is not received in full by the end of August, I will be instigating legal proceedings against them to recover the money.
- 8th August 2007: No update received, so emailed to chase.
- 9th August 2007. Still no reply, foaming at the mouth by now, so posted this on a4uforum. Funnily enough I received a reply within an hour! Now they don’t have all our invoices. I send copies of all six, and receive a promise that “they will all be paid straight away”
- 13th August 2007: Email received from Clash, this time promising that “a payment will be made for all your outstanding invoices this week”
- 21st August 2007: Still no payment, so email to confirm whether a payment was made as promised.
- 28th August 2007: Still no payment, and no reply to my last email either. I also notice that the one campaign we had left running on clash had stopped tracking for some reason in August. so I fire off another email asking for this to be solved, and payment received in full by 31st August, or I would be going down the legal route.
- 28th August 2007: Reply received, stating the campaign is tracking fine, and that they will “make sure you are paid by the end of the week”. Oh, and I have a new account manager, and could I please email her in future, as “she will be able to respond to your queries a lot quicker” I reply, asking, if the tracking fine, why my conversion rate has gone from 48% to 0.5% in one month, and that I won’t hold my breath regarding payment.
- 29th August 2007: I receive a reply from my new account manager. No answer to my question about the untracked sales, but offering her “sincerest apologies that your account is still outstanding” and that she is “looking forward to working with everyone at Big Mouth Media”
- 31st August 2007. I reply to new account manager (See how I leave them hanging for a few days? See how they like it!), advising that as unfortunately we’ve still not been paid, we will now be removing all Clash links, and if payment is not received by Monday 3rd September, we will be instigating legal proceedings. Oh, and by the way, we’re Big IDEA Media, not MOUTH.
- 31st August 2007. All Clash links are removed from our sites.
- 3rd September 2007. Still no payment is forthcoming, so a Letter Before Action is drafted and sent by Recorded Delivery to the home addresses of all the registered Directors of Clash Media Advertising Limited (including one in Florida, USA), as well as their registered office, giving seven days notice of our intent to commence court proceedings to recover the commissions we are owed. Copies of all invoices are attached to each notice.
- 7th September 2007. Final invoice sent to Clash for August’s commissions (well, those that they managed to track!).
- 11th September 2007. At the very last moment before I filed a claim through the court, I receive confirmation that I have finally received a payment from Clash, for the full amount. Brilliant – It’s only taken me nine months to get paid! Not to mention how many hours I’ve wasted chasing them, ranting about them, and sending threatening legal letters to their directors.
Summary
I’ll leave you to make your own conclusions as to what network you would rather work with, but I know which one I’ll never touch with a very large bargepole ever again! We all have problems with every network from time to time, but until now, none of them have ever screwed up so royally that I’ve actually had to start legal action against them just to get paid!
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Great post mate, I could really feel the frustration of what you went through. I’ll definitely be avoiding that network!
I must admit, I did trial Clash and the moment I found out the way their payment worked (i.e. manual invoices etc) I pulled all links. I just don’t have the time to be raising these, checking stats etc etc.
Thanks for the post, though it has reminded me that I am still to send them an invoice for the monies owed to me
Glad you got it sorted out to mate, but its infuriating how much trouble you have to go through sometimes, to get what’s owed to you. Drives me nutts!
PHeeew! What a carry on with Clash. I avoided using them from the start once I found out how they came about to be set up and previous shenanigans of the founders. A leopard never changes its stops.
Must say most of the other networks are not that much better than Clash at dealing with enquiries: too many people who don’t know what they are doing or CARE for what they are doing in AM; they just want to get their cheque at the end of the month and go get pissed.
Great blog post – can feel the frustration and understand it.
Had some problems with Clash when they first set up, it was tracking fine and they did pay the invoices the problem was they had to edit the invoice I sent them because their publisher interface was giving me two different figures and then on their end it was different again.
Shortly after that the conversion rate did drop but I put that down to them changing the conditions to only 1 registration for all of their competitions so if the same user registered for 5 competitions I would only get commision for 1.
I removed every link I could find from all my sites and will never work with Clash due to the same problems you had however I got my money quicker than you as many people will remember from Affiliate Fat Camp how I made it my daily mission to ask why I was not paid and to question why the FD of the company finds paying Affiliates so hard, was told that “I need them as much as they need me”, ah sorry guys you forgetting that Affiliates have choice, my wife’s company still has some active links and they all be going soon and she will issue her first and final invoice, I be sure to let you know how long it takes to get paid when she attempts it next month, won’t be messing about this time, we just giving it to a debt recovery company if it’s late.
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Thanks for the post John, I skipped the middle bit, but I think I get the gist!
It amazes me that any network think they can act like that and stay in business.
Mind you, anyone remember how they started?
Nice post John..
I was one of the aforementioned fat affiliates skiving in portugal with Clarke at the time he was getting the payday shuffle from Clash and the excuses coming out of clash towers were worthy of being printed out on novelty T-Shirts !
Thing that makes me laugh in all this is the profit margin CPA networks like this run on yet still they can’t get it together.
In terms of override they’d be nearer the 50% mark than 30% on most campaigns and higher on many more yet the basic fundamental issue of getting paid for what you do is so hard for them to sort out.
Only thing I can see you did wrong was not spanking someone like a bad monkey in March, If I’d done work in Jan and it wasn’t paid by March It’d be light a fire under their Ass time for me, by April if January’s wasn’t paid then I’d have pulled links until Jan and Feb were paid.
You shouldn’t have to take someone to court to get paid, especially if they are still trading, actively pushing campaigns, recruiting affiliates and making out they leap tall buildings in a single bound.
hey ho.. you live n learn heh.. guess it makes the normal aff networks look super efficient
What exactly is a “payday shuffle”?
Thank you,
-bob