Comments on: A tale of two networks http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks Wealth creation through Internet Marketing and Investing Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:14:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Bob O'Connor http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-912 Bob O'Connor Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:31:07 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-912 What exactly is a "payday shuffle"? Thank you, -bob What exactly is a “payday shuffle”?

Thank you,

-bob

]]> By: Shane http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-732 Shane Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:08:26 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-732 Nice post John.. I was one of the aforementioned fat affiliates skiving in portugal with Clarke at the time he was getting the payday shuffle from Clash and the excuses coming out of clash towers were worthy of being printed out on novelty T-Shirts ! Thing that makes me laugh in all this is the profit margin CPA networks like this run on yet still they can't get it together. In terms of override they'd be nearer the 50% mark than 30% on most campaigns and higher on many more yet the basic fundamental issue of getting paid for what you do is so hard for them to sort out. Only thing I can see you did wrong was not spanking someone like a bad monkey in March, If I'd done work in Jan and it wasn't paid by March It'd be light a fire under their Ass time for me, by April if January's wasn't paid then I'd have pulled links until Jan and Feb were paid. You shouldn't have to take someone to court to get paid, especially if they are still trading, actively pushing campaigns, recruiting affiliates and making out they leap tall buildings in a single bound. hey ho.. you live n learn heh.. guess it makes the normal aff networks look super efficient :) Nice post John..

I was one of the aforementioned fat affiliates skiving in portugal with Clarke at the time he was getting the payday shuffle from Clash and the excuses coming out of clash towers were worthy of being printed out on novelty T-Shirts !

Thing that makes me laugh in all this is the profit margin CPA networks like this run on yet still they can’t get it together.

In terms of override they’d be nearer the 50% mark than 30% on most campaigns and higher on many more yet the basic fundamental issue of getting paid for what you do is so hard for them to sort out.

Only thing I can see you did wrong was not spanking someone like a bad monkey in March, If I’d done work in Jan and it wasn’t paid by March It’d be light a fire under their Ass time for me, by April if January’s wasn’t paid then I’d have pulled links until Jan and Feb were paid.

You shouldn’t have to take someone to court to get paid, especially if they are still trading, actively pushing campaigns, recruiting affiliates and making out they leap tall buildings in a single bound.

hey ho.. you live n learn heh.. guess it makes the normal aff networks look super efficient :)

]]> By: Stephen Pratley http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-731 Stephen Pratley Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:57:48 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-731 Thanks for the post John, I skipped the middle bit, but I think I get the gist! It amazes me that any network think they can act like that and stay in business. Mind you, anyone remember how they started? Thanks for the post John, I skipped the middle bit, but I think I get the gist!
It amazes me that any network think they can act like that and stay in business.

Mind you, anyone remember how they started?

]]> By: Clash Media? - Affiliate Marketing http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-730 Clash Media? - Affiliate Marketing Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:27:39 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-730 [...] Re: Clash Media? My experience with working with Clash Media is chronicled here: A tale of two networks at Lammo.net - Several other affiliates have also added their own experiences to the comments. [...] [...] Re: Clash Media? My experience with working with Clash Media is chronicled here: A tale of two networks at Lammo.net - Several other affiliates have also added their own experiences to the comments. [...]

]]> By: Blogging Tips | Affiliate Marketing Blog from UK Offer Media http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-695 Blogging Tips | Affiliate Marketing Blog from UK Offer Media Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:34:00 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-695 [...] there’s this from John, loads of juicy info here. It doesn’t always have to be about how much money/how [...] [...] there’s this from John, loads of juicy info here. It doesn’t always have to be about how much money/how [...]

]]> By: Clarke http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-691 Clarke Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:06:19 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-691 I removed every link I could find from all my sites and will never work with Clash due to the same problems you had however I got my money quicker than you as many people will remember from Affiliate Fat Camp how I made it my daily mission to ask why I was not paid and to question why the FD of the company finds paying Affiliates so hard, was told that "I need them as much as they need me", ah sorry guys you forgetting that Affiliates have choice, my wife’s company still has some active links and they all be going soon and she will issue her first and final invoice, I be sure to let you know how long it takes to get paid when she attempts it next month, won’t be messing about this time, we just giving it to a debt recovery company if it’s late. I removed every link I could find from all my sites and will never work with Clash due to the same problems you had however I got my money quicker than you as many people will remember from Affiliate Fat Camp how I made it my daily mission to ask why I was not paid and to question why the FD of the company finds paying Affiliates so hard, was told that “I need them as much as they need me”, ah sorry guys you forgetting that Affiliates have choice, my wife’s company still has some active links and they all be going soon and she will issue her first and final invoice, I be sure to let you know how long it takes to get paid when she attempts it next month, won’t be messing about this time, we just giving it to a debt recovery company if it’s late.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-690 Jesse Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:39:15 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-690 Great blog post - can feel the frustration and understand it. Had some problems with Clash when they first set up, it was tracking fine and they did pay the invoices the problem was they had to edit the invoice I sent them because their publisher interface was giving me two different figures and then on their end it was different again. Shortly after that the conversion rate did drop but I put that down to them changing the conditions to only 1 registration for all of their competitions so if the same user registered for 5 competitions I would only get commision for 1. Great blog post - can feel the frustration and understand it.

Had some problems with Clash when they first set up, it was tracking fine and they did pay the invoices the problem was they had to edit the invoice I sent them because their publisher interface was giving me two different figures and then on their end it was different again.

Shortly after that the conversion rate did drop but I put that down to them changing the conditions to only 1 registration for all of their competitions so if the same user registered for 5 competitions I would only get commision for 1.

]]> By: Alan G. http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-687 Alan G. Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:22:01 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-687 PHeeew! What a carry on with Clash. I avoided using them from the start once I found out how they came about to be set up and previous shenanigans of the founders. A leopard never changes its stops. Must say most of the other networks are not that much better than Clash at dealing with enquiries: too many people who don't know what they are doing or CARE for what they are doing in AM; they just want to get their cheque at the end of the month and go get pissed. PHeeew! What a carry on with Clash. I avoided using them from the start once I found out how they came about to be set up and previous shenanigans of the founders. A leopard never changes its stops.

Must say most of the other networks are not that much better than Clash at dealing with enquiries: too many people who don’t know what they are doing or CARE for what they are doing in AM; they just want to get their cheque at the end of the month and go get pissed.

]]> By: Chris http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-682 Chris Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:16:39 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-682 I must admit, I did trial Clash and the moment I found out the way their payment worked (i.e. manual invoices etc) I pulled all links. I just don't have the time to be raising these, checking stats etc etc. Thanks for the post, though it has reminded me that I am still to send them an invoice for the monies owed to me :) Glad you got it sorted out to mate, but its infuriating how much trouble you have to go through sometimes, to get what's owed to you. Drives me nutts! I must admit, I did trial Clash and the moment I found out the way their payment worked (i.e. manual invoices etc) I pulled all links. I just don’t have the time to be raising these, checking stats etc etc.

Thanks for the post, though it has reminded me that I am still to send them an invoice for the monies owed to me :)

Glad you got it sorted out to mate, but its infuriating how much trouble you have to go through sometimes, to get what’s owed to you. Drives me nutts!

]]> By: Kieron http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-680 Kieron Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:17:06 +0000 http://www.lammo.net/affiliate-marketing/59/a-tale-of-two-networks#comment-680 Great post mate, I could really feel the frustration of what you went through. I'll definitely be avoiding that network! Great post mate, I could really feel the frustration of what you went through. I’ll definitely be avoiding that network!

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